Jamie Jupiter

The girl who is out of this world...literally!

Why I Do What I Do

2nd Apr 2016, 11:14 PM
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Why I Do What I Do
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KarToon12 2nd Apr 2016, 11:14 PM edit delete
It came to my attention that JJ ended up on a website that’s infamous for bashing comics that they deem...well, not very good, to put it politely. Most of the criticism was directed at the artwork, as well as the, and I quote, “slow as f**k” pacing” of the plot, as well as the recent episodes becoming flashback heavy.

In a respect, I see what they’re getting at. I HAVE gotten constructive criticism on the art before. And I DO listen to what people have to say. It’s only through helpful comments that I’ve gotten better. And I think I HAVE made big strides since starting this. Word balloons are easier to read—water looks like actual water (and not blue paint), and characters remain more “on model”. Like I said, you only get better by doing.

And yes, the current episodes are getting flashback heavy, but that's because we've got a bunch of plot points through the season that are being mentioned and wrapped up. It's kind of par for the course. We're only in the first season, and each season (there's five planned) have 20 episodes. That's just the way the comic is structured. It's supposed to be a "monster of the week/lesson of the day" structure. With an overarching plotline that's given a little bit of information in each episode, until it's wrapped up in the finale. (You could make the same argument about shows like Steven Universe and The Walking Dead. Both of them have drawn out plotlines, yet are liked by a ton of people.)

So, in that respect, I think it just comes down to personal preference. If you don't have patience, and don't like a storyline that takes its time, then this isn't the comic for you. There’s really no other way to say it—it’s going to be slow. That's just how it is and was sort of meant to be. If that's a structure or style you don't like, well...go read something else, then? ^^;;;;

Please note that I DO welcome feedback. Provided that it’s worded in a friendly and professional manner. Otherwise, it can be hard to tell what’s honest criticism, and what’s just being a troll. If any of you are that curious about this recent website posting, just send me a PM and I’ll give you the link.

To the people who don't like my comics, well…you can't please everyone. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve gotta’ get back to drawing.


Haegan2005 3rd Apr 2016, 12:49 AM edit delete reply
I guess it depends on why you read a comic. Do you read it because it is flashy with good art or do you read it for a story the is told well and has characters that you can sympathize with?

Or both? This has, and always has, been a good read and i cannot wait for the next season!
KarToon12 4th Apr 2016, 3:04 AM edit delete reply
For me, while quality of art does come into play a bit, it's ultimately the story that's more important to me, as well as the characters. A book can have the greatest artwork ever, but a story that stinks.

Thanks for the support. :)
GamerGuy12 3rd Apr 2016, 12:52 AM edit delete reply
Don't listen to the haters, your comic is awesome!
KarToon12 4th Apr 2016, 3:05 AM edit delete reply
Thanks. I don't mind criticism, as long as it's done politely.
Slim Kittens 3rd Apr 2016, 2:43 AM edit delete reply
Slim Kittens
I've always enjoyed your comic. Also, you were much more gracious with your critics than I would have been in the same circumstances.
KarToon12 4th Apr 2016, 3:06 AM edit delete reply
Glad you're enjoying it. :)

I try to stay out of drama as much as I can. I wasn't even going to say anything about this until people kept pointing it out.
anatman 3rd Apr 2016, 3:13 AM edit delete reply
i haven't seen the critique you mention, but from the description it doesn't sound very fair or accurate at all.

consider pacing. the second day of the storyline of mansion of e took around 11 years. it is an excellent engaging story and plenty of things happen and little time is wasted. in el goonish shive, a date has taken over a year and is not done yet. that doesn't make it draggy by any means. viewed properly your pacing is very rapid. in 20-odd pages per episode, you set up, carry out, and conclude an adventure, while still building the world, wrangling a supporting cast, advancing the overall plot, and developing the characters. sounds pretty zippy to me.

as to art, museum quality images aren't necessarily the name of the game in sequential storytelling. art that fits the story is. the characters in peanuts were very simple but they were as expressive ans they needed to be. photorealism would have detracted from the comic. xkcd is one of the most deservedly popular comics around and it uses stick figures. dinosaur comics uses the same panels every episode and only changes the dialogue. gritty angsty stories use dark colors, superheroes usually use a bright four color influenced style. a gag a day strip usually uses simple stylized characters. for the tone and genre of the story you are telling i think the art works quite well, some supposed absolute standard be damned.
KarToon12 4th Apr 2016, 3:09 AM edit delete reply
Got a point there. That's what's cool about web comics and animation--the styles are so different and many times unlike what you normally see in mainstream media.
JasonDeroga 3rd Apr 2016, 5:19 AM edit delete reply
You tell 'em Casey! I've seen and been a recipient of outright 100% unjust criticism, or "flaming." You're the one who wrote these awesome episodes, I'll bet those flamers out there don't even have a comic of their own. I want to thank you for this comic as it has inspired me to keep going with my own work.

JJ must live on! Leave the naysayers to themselves =D
KarToon12 4th Apr 2016, 3:10 AM edit delete reply
Thanks! Keep on drawing! Sneakers U-Force is awesome! :D
ZeroGee 3rd Apr 2016, 9:33 AM edit delete reply
Those that can do, do webcomics. Those that can't, criticize destructively.
Long Tom 3rd Apr 2016, 1:25 PM edit delete reply
Funny you should say this. I wrote a review of a different webcomic, where the art was wretched and the story (which had potential) was unevenly paced. The author was initially upset, of course, and her fans were saying "don't listen to criticism". But soon afterward she had a change of heart and realized I was right, so she revised her comic with much better art and a better constructed storyline, so we delisted her and called her webcomic our success story.

Face it, just because someone criticizes you doesn't mean they are wrong.
ZeroGee 3rd Apr 2016, 4:45 PM edit delete reply
But there's a difference between constructive and destructive criticism.
Long Tom 3rd Apr 2016, 6:27 PM edit delete reply
But it still got her to realize she needed to do better, and she did. LOTS better!
KarToon12 4th Apr 2016, 3:19 AM edit delete reply
Exactly. Whoever wrote the article DID have some valid points. But some of their wording made it hard to take seriously at other turns. This is why reviewers like Doug Walker have two personas; his "Nostalgia Critic" character that he uses to be funny, and his real self, which he uses to give his serious thoughts on movies and stuff. He makes it clear when he's telling a joke, and when he isn't.

It seemed like this person was angry about the comic not being in a style they liked, which is something I can't fix. I wasn't going to even really give it the time of day. But when more than a few people kept asking me about it, I thought I'd finally come out and give my two cents about it.
SomeoneWhoCanDraw 3rd Apr 2016, 4:24 PM edit delete reply
Trust me; you should be very proud with what you've made so far. Because you know that you will be able to do even better with what you have learned.

Best of luck in the future and never stop drawing.
KarToon12 4th Apr 2016, 3:19 AM edit delete reply
Yep! I can't wait to make Season Two! It's going to be epic! :D
Paul AKA: CrazySloth 4th Apr 2016, 3:23 AM edit delete reply
I just now linked to your page completely by chane via YouTube (A video of your top 10 Outer Limits Ep.) I haven't read your comic yet but want to! But I just had to say your outlook and not stooping to the level of those that get their kicks criticizing others work, going so far as to to use their grade school criticism as constructive criticism shows a level integrity one doesn't see especially in the online dead zone where so much vileness is excreted by what I'm a summing are Sad, frustrated and unfulfilled people who in very much like cable news & radio personality who feed off these types of unhappy souls. It's a unfortunate reality of our manipulated culture who serve very little purpose to those who run the country we've forgotten is as much ours as it is minute minority who are only able to do and get their way because of their amassed fortunes. I know I seem to have wandered of topic
KarToon12 5th Apr 2016, 1:31 AM edit delete reply
Thanks for the support! And I hope you enjoy the comic! :)
Guest 4th Apr 2016, 4:01 AM edit delete reply
I totally understand, and comparing yor first page to your latest, you have made great progress. In my humble oppinion I think you should study hand proportions and form. I think that will complete your art style. I hope you continue to improve while sharing your love of your craft with us. Thank you
KarToon12 5th Apr 2016, 1:32 AM edit delete reply
Thanks! And yeah, I'm still having to practice hands. They can be tricky.
Nixaju Sza 4th Apr 2016, 5:14 PM edit delete reply
I've enjoyed you web comic and having all three of your books you sold me.I'm also glad to say I've met a kind and inspirational person in you KarToon12/Casey,that also comes from having two kind and supportive parents like you have.Not to embarras you?Thank you always for reading my stuff and letting me use Jamie in them.
KarToon12 5th Apr 2016, 1:32 AM edit delete reply
Thanks! And you're welcome! :)
RG2Cents 4th Apr 2016, 10:52 PM edit delete reply
I know what you mean Casey. I've had some really miserable critiques from some folks, but I've had some good ones too.
KarToon12 5th Apr 2016, 1:33 AM edit delete reply
When Foxes Fly is awesome! :) Try not to let a few bad comments get you down.
DarkNeon 6th Apr 2016, 10:19 PM edit delete reply
I've never heard of such a website. You know what that means? 95 percent of the world doesn't either. Don't let those dickweeds get to ya. Compared to places like Rotten tomatoes and meta critic, it's akin to a little boy complaining about how boring an old movie is compared to a professional who details the production values vs the execution of story.

They can sit around claiming to be professional, but let's see them do what you do in your shoes.
Centcomm 10th Apr 2016, 1:39 AM edit delete reply
I read the review in question. And yeah I think he was WAY over the top.

I read this and follow it because I like to support nice people. And as far as i know you have always been kind and supportive.

Also I am a firm believer in criticize should be delivered in a " compliment sandwich. "

Also one thing Ive learned from doing this for 8+ years and having a CGI comic to boot. I grew a very thick skin as the first year I got all kinds of crappy comments.

The trick is to sift out the useful information from the garbage spewed in that review. Those guys could do a LOT Better if they weren't such gigantic A-Holes.

Long Tom 12th Apr 2016, 10:48 PM edit delete reply
But we're SUPPOSED to be snarky! What is the fun of reading criticism if it's a dry as reading a telephone directory?

I don't know if the reviewer is a he or she, and I'm an administrator. (I found the site and eventually got promoted; I didn't create it.)

So what is the point of the website? Some webcomics are absolute garbage, even though some have popularity ("Jack" being an example), while others were once good but went wrong, or had a good idea but did the wrong thing.

My own take on this webcomic? I wasn't the reviewer, but I agree-your artwork could be better. Not to mention the scenario could be used in a more interesting way.

Here's our take on the author's reaction: http://badwebcomicswiki.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Not_crazy_reactions#Jamie_Jupiter

See "Demon Battles"? That's the one I reviewed, and believe me, the author admitted her webcomic had been badly done and she revamped it to a far superior version. And she had people who kept saying "don't listen to criticism, you're wonderful." Since you've drawn this webcomic for years, you certainly can come up with more refined artwork.
Long Tom 13th Apr 2016, 11:24 PM edit delete reply
I shall say nothing more on this forum. But as for how your artwork evolved over the years, you have nothing on this one:


For those unfamiliar, the webcomic is "Dan And Mab's Furry Adventures", a furry fantasy webcomic, and no, we certainly didn't review this one. Now that's what I call a webcomic that really got better from when it started.
Brian 5th Jun 2016, 2:58 AM edit delete reply
I am coming to the party a bit late, but as a reader of almost 500 web comics, I would like to give a mini-review. Oh, no, blood is in the water!

First off, throughout the work so far, I can instantly tell who the main characters are. Each character has an individual personality, and the emotions of the characters are shown in the art. I can identify with these fictional people. If I go away for a week or so and come back, I still remember who the characters are, so I don't have to dig through the archives and remind myself of what was happening. There isn't a cast of tens of characters to keep straight - just enough that I can recall who everyone is.

There are a minimum of (perhaps none) totally worthless panels that show nothing but action sequences, or art shots that don't move the story forward. There aren't pages overwhelmed or underwhelmed with dialog. The pacing is good, with each cycle of story taking place in a small number of pages.

Although the skill of the author as far as art has obviously improved with time, there has not been an obvious style shift. The entire sequence of chapters so far forms a cohesive whole.

The above makes this comic better than 95% of what is out there. So what would I like to see done better? I suppose I would like to see more evolution of character. After a chapter, the characters should grow and learn from their experience. There is already some of this going on, but more would be even better. As it is, reading the chapters in almost any order would make sense. That's okay also - a lot of web comics are like that, but I prefer the former.

How's that?
KarToon12 14th Jul 2018, 9:40 PM edit delete reply
Thanks for your insight there! That was one of the first things I was thinking of when coming up with the characters. I've read more than once that your characters should be distinct and easy to tell apart in a silhouette.

As for characters growth, we're going to see more of that in the Second Season. We've now got a few more new characters joining the cast soon!
PioneerPete 12th Feb 2019, 4:14 AM edit delete reply
Thank you! <3